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dthstrk |
New "white Box" figures on ebay |
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Erwin Strangberg and Garrett white 69 bucks they state that they are the white box limited edition of 300 funny I dont remember dragon saying ANYTHING about a
limited edition of these two guys. Remember caveat emptor....oh yeah 1 more thing shipping 24 bucks
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Harald von K |
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Hummm ... these "white boxes" seem to be more and more on eBay but also on the site of certain of our retailers ?!!
Are they real Cyber-Hobby boxed Figures in new limited edition, or are they, in fact, real ... counterfeits ?
Harald von
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RogueJK |
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No thanks. I picked up Garrett for around $40 on eBay at Christmastime, and that was for the real deal. People should just be patient, rather than spending
excessive amounts of money on a counterfeit.
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johnro6659 |
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According to a post on the MDFC, DML is trying to say these are knockoffs/counterfeits not true DML figures but from what I have seen the quality is no
different than the DML stuff we are seeing now. I have seen several pics people have posted of white boxed figures they got and there is no denying they are
the real deal. I don't know if they are truly limited editions, I seriously doubt it. I think these white boxed sets are either figures were not made to be
exported out of China or factory seconds someone got their hands on. DML like most toy companies subcontract their stuff out so it's very common for them
to make stuff for DML while also making stuff for themselves or some other toy company. This has gone on for years dating back to the 60s when Hasbro had the
GI Joe line I am sure most of you know the story. So even if these are not actually distributed by DML they are probably made by the same people DML contracted
in the first place.
I guess if you missed out on a figure it might be a way to get your hands on one but the cost IMHO is very high even before shipping. I have no problem buying any of these but not at those high prices I wouldn't go more than $30.00 tops on these. If DML has a problem and these are true counterfeits all they would have to do is contact Ebay and they would pull all the auctions just like they do with all the other counterfeit stuff that pops up on Ebay.
John Romano
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Pangaea95 |
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I contacted one of the guys who is selling these on ebay, he said that these were released for the China market and are authentic DML product, true or not I
don't know, but I do know that after shipping, these figures aren't so cheap. But if you have to have the figure, and you can't find it anywhere,
then I guess this could be an option, although if they are knockoff's I don't think it very ethical, but that's between DML and the seller
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Von13 |
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Posts: 2098 (06/21/09 01:18:05) Division Member |
I've gotten a couple of loose items from previous white box figures, I felt the quality was inferior to the original Dragon items.
Chris
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HarrySSNederland |
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Posts: 471 (06/21/09 02:47:34) Banned User
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Well there goes the value of my boxed Erwin.
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johnro6659 |
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I doubt these will effect the original boxed figures. The box makes the difference just like that little card included in the CH figures makes all the
difference with those. Some etailers sell over stock CH with out the card a little cheaper the cards can be found loose some guys don't keep the cards or
the boxes. I have seen collectors swap cards just so they can say they have a lower numbered figure and sell it for more on Ebay the card is the real
collectible IMHO.
John Romano
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WehrmachtOberst |
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Posts: 1381 (06/21/09 09:39:55) The Eagle's Nest Staff
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Do we have a link to these auctions???
"Let's make sure that history never forgets the name... Enterprise." -- Captain Jean Luc Picard
This is MY BOARD-----------The Eagle's Nest Please visit it!! My OTHER Board------------Wewelsburg's Castle |
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skullheadman |
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johnro6659 wrote: While a little off-topic with the original post, John's comments reminded me of something funny I saw in regards to an Ebay CH figure auction. The card number was very low, a single digit in fact, and the seller touted it as "very rare, one-of-a-kind". The funny part is that such a description totally plays into the fanatic collector psyche, as since only one of each number card is produced, they are all very rare and one-of-a-kind, even card number 928! As far as the topic goes, I have mixed feeling about the white box figures. I bought a Kesselring, just because he's the one rare figure that I don't have original from Cyber-Hobby that is incredibly difficult to find, and when you do, he's extremely expensive. I paid a lot for some old school CH figures (original Carson and the FJ w/chute whose name escapes me right now) when they were new on the after-market, and decided I didn't want to do that anymore. I also wasn't aware of the controversy surrounding these white box figures at the time. As far as the quality goes, my Kesselring seems pretty good. There are some areas that could be improved, but that seems to be the case with the majority of figures, even direct from the manufacturer. And even with the shipping, you can still get a decent figure for less than the average going rate of the regular-boxed version. However, there are some possible ethical issues surrounding the selling and buying of these figures, in light of newer evidence, so I guess it's a matter of personal choice, weighing the pros and cons. I took a gamble and wound up satisfied overall.
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winterdan |
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Regarding the quality of the item's included with the white box Kesselring could you explain which parts were the quality was lacking....i have the
original boxed Kesselring and that was far from perfect...the crusher and insignia (collar tabs,breast eagle) were not that great but the uniform itself was
top notch.
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B Hellqvist |
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Here's an official statement from DML:
DML wrote: Try 2/12th scale figures. Twice the detail! |
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winterdan |
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Well...that clears that up then....i would have thought that the next move from DML would be to contact Ebay and tell them as Ebay do not allow counterfeit
goods to be sold on their website.....that would be the perfectly obvious thing to do if the above announcement were true would'nt it?.
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johnro6659 |
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I saw this statement posted before in a similar thread and I don't believe it at all. I just think it's another load of bull from the DML propoganda
machine. They claim they have this great commitment to quality and most of their new stuff hitting the market is just not as good as the stuff they used to
make a few short years ago when they were on top. If they really were commited to quality they should be keeping up with the other manufactures that have been
consistantly blowing DML out of the water and raising the bar in the hobby. If I was going to describe DML integrity would be the last thing to come to mind. I
think if the statement was true DML would have had the stuff pulled off Ebay ASAP, it's not hard! The statement they have all this great security and thier
own in house inspection line makes me laugh as well. We all know the costs of having a 1/6th figure made even from molds copied is very high who would invest
all that kind of money to copy DML it would be a better investment to make an all new figure start a new company that was original and sell it.
Everyone I talked to and the guys who posted reveiws of these white box figures seemed to be satisfied with them and the pics they have posted the unis and equipment don't look any different from the DML quality of late. Now I haven't had the chance to see any first hand and I hope to get to see one soon and see for myself but I have seen some of the new DML stuff so I see the lack of QC they have now. I just wish DML would just start investing money in all new stuff and start climbing their way back to the top. I really miss the DML of a few years ago.
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Loke666 |
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I just bought a white box Gerhard - Feldjäger.
I have compared the stuff in that box with other DML stuff - and its the same. Period. To me there are only 2 explanations: - either DML are selling out old stock to raise cash - apparently 2 ways - through the official rehashes seen almost every week - and completed older figures in white boxes... - or some subcontrator produced a little more than agreed and waited some time before he released the stuff and made some money. I really don't care which is which - the stuff in my box sure was DML - and the price wasn't killing me. I simply don't belive that some un-related company would go down in a Shanghai street shop - buy a boxed DML figure and start up a production line to copy it - its a toy we are talking about - not the crown juwels or a van Gogh. Henrik I have one Desire
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winterdan |
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I was sceptical about the counterfeit line when it was first mentioned by DML but having spoken with a few friends about some other counterfeit item's (not
1/6th related) i mentioned the white boxed figures...a friend of mine came up with a very plausible answer....why are all the white boxed figures those which
sell for higher price's & why are there no white box releases of figures which do not sell in the higher price bracket on the secondary
market.....because counterfitter's always choose item's that sell for the most profit not the minimum.......i'm waiting to see if Artur Hecht
appears......although i still believe it is one of DML's own suppliers that has a hand in the operation without DML's knowledge....after hours working
in factories is not unheard of even here in Europe CD manufacturer's have been found to be producing live bootleg music CD's when the normal working
day has ended.
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B Hellqvist |
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Oberst Hessler on MDFC wrote: Photos of the counterfeit stuff would help advance DML's cause... Try 2/12th scale figures. Twice the detail! |
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winterdan |
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Yes,i noticed that no photo's were actually posted to back the story up on the m**c.....over to you Loke666 perhaps you could post some detailed Gerhard
photo's up so we can actually see the parts first hand....there would appear to be two differing views one saying that various parts are added to the
set's to make them look like DML product and then Loke666 mentioning that all the parts are DML's,has anyone else bought the white boxed figures ?
fancy sharing some photo's ?, i have'nt bought any of the white box figures myself as i have the originals so i doubt that i will be bothering,at least
it appears that DML are taking some action contacting Ebay....have they been removed from Ebay or not?.
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dthstrk |
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i fell for an otto skorzeny grey uni he looks the part but then I got the picture from DML and I noticed all the missing/unnecessary items and other
irregularities. I also hear that the Gerhard figure comes with a plastic gorget instead if the metalized version
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egonzinc |
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I got a Kessel;ring to test these out.
it is not like the original. Shoulderboards missing, the peaked cap is like the regular officer offerings not like the general officer figures from CH. HS is shiny and more of an orange color. Tunic is different with cloth piping, far from original Kesselrings details. Overcoat a slightly different color and different collar. The trousers inthe box look ok. Even the medals are different. The IC 1st class is a WWII version and the original CH is the WWI version. My experiment with these white boxes ends at one! Que siga la fiesta! E |
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skullheadman |
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dthstrk wrote: I know this has been part of the "white box" discussion concerning Gerhardt, but mine was from the convention, in the proper box, and he has a plastic gorget. I just checked. |
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