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winterdan	DML Hannes Diehl M44 Pea Dot Tunic......	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1625 (06/12/09 04:17:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I received a loose Hannes Diehl hbt material M44 Pea Dot tunic this morning and although i have one query i have to say it is without any doubt the best looking M44 Pea Dot tunic DML have produced so far....i have Karsten's, Lothar's & the Anton Gause version,Karstens was in normal printed cotton, Lothar's hbt material version was too tight and the Anton hbt material version was not only tight but quite short in the body as well...the Hannes version is probably still slightly too close to fit a field grey tunic underneath but nevertheless it looks excellent on my Anton figure...the lower pockets have been filled out a little and it looks more correct in length...at least to my eye's anyway...i ordered two more...the one query have is...the M44 Camouflage tunic was as far as i have read a camouflaged hbt copy of the field grey M43 tunic...the Hannes tunic does'nt have a seam down the centre of the back as per the M43 FG tunic but the earlier DML M44 PD tunics do...after looking through the Beaver WSS books this morning it would appear that all the original M44 PD & Oak Leaf hbt camo tunic's appear to have centre seam's down the back...so i'm wondring if DML have read the info regarding the FG M43 tunic and made an exact copy in hbt PD without the back centre seam?...it's not a huge issue as once the Y-straps are on it wont make a difference but i was wondering if i might be correct with my assumption...it's still a great tunic and i'm well pleased with it...all we need now is a DML M44 hbt material tunic in Oak Leaf Autumn/Spring & Spring Blurred edge using the Hannes tunic pattern size but adding the rear centre seam and i will be very pleased indeed. Winterdan. Last Edited By: winterdan 06/12/09 04:19:56. Edited 1 time.
arbomambo		#1	[-]
Posts: 976 (06/12/09 08:21:10) Master Artificer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Danny...I'm glad you posted this. I was quietly impressed with mine but hadn't mentioned it yet...I recieved mine a few weeks ago... I no longer have a 'Karsten' figure with which to compare, so I wasn't immediately sure if it wasn't just a copy of the old tunic. The printing of the pattern is first rate, and like you said the lower pockets are 'stuffed' a la the latest DML tunics... the fit is excellent and, you're right, it looks nice in length... At first, the clear plastic snaps 'threw' me...I wasn't sure if this was ever used on a DML article before, and I wasn't sure if this was an 'old' or 'new' technique... Regardless, they work and look good when snapped... AND.... one of the nicest features of this particular tunic is the way the lapels lay open8 i when the collar isn't fastened....in this respect, this tunic looks better than any other tunic by any other manufacturer, including DML... It's printed on the DML HBT material...and, IMO, looks very nice on a figure... It has 5 'buttons'...(correct for SS?)...and two 'vent holes'(?)...I have no clue what these are supossed to be or if they're accurate...I've seen various tunics with 2 and 3 holes... Here is a front view... and the back view showing no seam like Danny stated above.... A pic of the fastening snaps... Here it is on a mock-up of a figure I'm preparing to model as part of a cross section of "Market Garden" advesaries...this figure doesn't yet have an undershirt (I was not aware that the pea dot tunic was meant to be worn over an existing tunic)...but still gives a good representation of the fit of this tunic... also...this particular figure is wearing the "Also Wenning" trousers (whether they're accurate or not...I don't know...I DO know that the tunic hides the pocket detail so it's not visible...so the "Aldo" trousers work for me...) . Again, I echo Danny's sentiments about this very nice tunic... Thanks, Bruce
HarrySSNederland		#2	[-]
Posts: 462 (06/12/09 10:32:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Personally i prefer Toys City's Dot44 tunics(light version) but i got myself a bunch of Hannes Diehl's ones too. It's great to finally see more Dot44 on the market. Side by side comparison: I made these images close to a window so the upper part might appear to be a little darker. Pst! Feind hort mit! Last Edited By: HarrySSNederland 06/12/09 10:47:52. Edited 2 times.
kar43		#3	[-]
Posts: 1716 (06/12/09 10:51:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The 'vent holes" are for the belt support hooks which help hold up the equipment belt.
arbomambo		#4	[-]
Posts: 979 (06/12/09 11:04:13) Master Artificer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for the side-by-side photos!... I had been 'toying' with the idea of getting the Toys City tunics ( I like most of their stuff)...but now I'm glad I purchased the DML "Hannes" version...I prefer DML's treatment of the rounded corners on the bottom of the top pockets for my 'Market Garden' bashes Bruce
HarrySSNederland		#5	[-]
Posts: 463 (06/12/09 12:57:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	arbomambo wrote: Thanks for the side-by-side photos!... I had been 'toying' with the idea of getting the Toys City tunics ( I like most of their stuff)...but now I'm glad I purchased the DML "Hannes" version...I prefer DML's treatment of the rounded corners on the bottom of the top pockets for my 'Market Garden' bashes http://i166.photobucket.c...redpanzergrenadiers1.jpg Bruce The Toys City uniform is slightly bigger so it's easier to place a tunic underneath it without making the figure look like a roasted beef. Here's an example of it: Pst! Feind hort mit!
winterdan		#6	[-]
Posts: 1629 (06/12/09 13:20:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As Harry mentioned the Vent holes are holes for the hooks which helped to support the belt,the Field Grey tunic was worn under the M44 Pea Dot as & when needed,very common during the Ardennes campaign...i did get one of the Toys city versions which is a lighter colouring and will pass as one of the M44's printed on cotton/rayon etc but DML's hbt fabric version is just too good to pass up on...i have snagged a few more since this morning,the DML hbt fabric has also appeared with their last few U.S marines & the Hap Daley U.S army camo uniform used during the Normandy campaign...why,oh why DML have'nt put out U.S Marine camo uniforms & the German M44 in Oak Leaf/Blurred edge using this material is beyond me...i remember they where going to put out an SS minesweeper figure some time back and i'm sure he had the M44 in Autumn Oak Leaf.....please put it out DML. Winterdan. PS.Those clear plastic snaps caught me a bit as well and i did think that they would'nt hold as well as the original one's but they are not so visible and hold very very well.
DougOSU		#7	[-]
Posts: 2211 (06/12/09 13:23:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	HarrySSNederland wrote: The Toys City uniform is slightly bigger so it's easier to place a tunic underneath it without making the figure look like a roasted beef. Here's an example of it: I'm not saying this to be critical of your figure (which I liked a lot when you posted it the first time and still like), but even with the larger M44, he still looks like he is wearing a heavy fleece coat. But this isnt a shortcoming of your figure. Any figure wearing two thick-ish layers comes out looking like that. Whenever I am putting a smock or other light jacket over a tunic, I've resorted to cutting off the collar, cuffs, and bottom of the tunic (the only parts that are showing), glue them lightly in place, and throw the sleeves and main torso of the tunic into my fabric scraps bin for future projects. It works great, but then of course you can't use that tunic for anything else other than wearing under stuff. I'm not trying to turn this into a tutorial or techniques thread - my point is just that no M44 is going to look right with a tunic under it, so you might as well pick the one with the fabric, shade, and pattern you prefer. Jokes don't go over well on the internet. Once on a forum for the Medal of Honor video game, I said the sequel should take place in the Boer War instead of WWII. No one got the joke; they thought I was serious. I was thoroughly lambasted, browbeaten, and dressed down. Trades: http://onesixthnet.yuku.com/topic/14766
winterdan		#8	[-]
Posts: 1631 (06/12/09 13:36:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It is difficult with some item's to get them looking just right...Harry's figure does'nt look to bad with the tunic underneath better than my attempt's anyway, i have tried both methods and the dickie idea works very well indeed it all depends on wether you can bear to use a tunic in that manner,i have never had any problem's at all fitting a tunic under a smock though. Winterdan.
arbomambo		#9	[-]
Posts: 980 (06/12/09 14:00:36) Master Artificer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	LOL...I'm still shocked that I never had a clue that regular tunics were worn underneath these things...all of my Normandy and Arnhem pics that show SS Grenadiers in these pea dot tunics show them wearing regular service shirts underneath...oh well...something new everyday! Bruce
winterdan		#10	[-]
Posts: 1632 (06/12/09 14:30:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I know it was a bit cold during the Normandy campaign or fresh as some might say and the weather was'nt that cold during the Market Garden campaign either so maybe it was'nt as prevalent.....during the Ardennes the M44 tunic was used over the tunic and as the weather got colder that's all some SS troops had for extra warmth and although the M44 was treated with chemicals to waterproof the uniform out it really did'nt hold up on either count. Winterdan
Drone7771		#11	[-]
Posts: 1606 (06/12/09 20:22:23) Master Artist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hey, I know this is off topic, but do you guys see a resemblance here? Geno. "I have flown among the trees and seen the face of the enemy". -Aero Scout Platoon "Ratpack" -- 1969-1970
DougOSU		#12	[-]
Posts: 2214 (06/12/09 22:19:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Drone7771 wrote: Hey, I know this is off topic, but do you guys see a resemblance here? Yes, as a matter of fact, i do! Good catch Jokes don't go over well on the internet. Once on a forum for the Medal of Honor video game, I said the sequel should take place in the Boer War instead of WWII. No one got the joke; they thought I was serious. I was thoroughly lambasted, browbeaten, and dressed down. Trades: http://onesixthnet.yuku.com/topic/14766
Frasmet		#13	[-]
Posts: 1210 (06/12/09 23:15:38) Master Artist Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"Hey, I know this is off topic, but do you guys see a resemblance here?" Ah, That explains the forlorn expression.
Coltm1911		#14	[-]
Posts: 799 (06/14/09 16:09:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Here's a pic that seems kinda interesting. Granted, they are SS Mountain Troops but they're in the same uniform being discussed here. The one thing that stands out in this one http://www.gaissmair.net/Nord_PK/8xxx.jpg none seem to be wearing a tunic under the 44 tunic. In all, I think weather was a deciding factor. On my SS figure, I just used a gray shirt underneath and it looks real nice. I was perplexed as to a helmet cover and the photo here helped me, thanks. Basic gray, no cover but I used one with one sided decal of the SS runes. Hope that pic helps "we wore what we had" by J.T.P.- Staff Sgt, 11th Airborne 43-44 & 8th Army 44-45 Air Force Res. 50-51 L.A. County, San Gabriel Valley, Covina, CA Last Edited By: Coltm1911 06/14/09 16:32:42. Edited 1 times.
winterdan		#15	[-]
Posts: 1635 (06/14/09 17:04:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Nice photo Coltm1911....if your putting the grey undershirt under your M44 PD tunic that's fine....one of the guys in your photo appears to be wearing just the tunic,obviously the fact that these tunics where made in hbt & a cotton/rayon mix meant that they would not be as uncomfortable as wearing nothing under the FG wool tunic...as you mentioned weather and to an extent the need for camouflage & extra warmth in bad weather made the difference... in September 1944 an order was given that the hbt camouflage uniform was to be returned to stores when winter garments where issued and would be re-issued in March 1945 but in many case's this order was ignored....especially with the absence/short supply of said specified winter garments. Winterdan.

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