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 Major Archie Gates |
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Posts: 904 (07/22/08 21:37:42) |
Calling all Brit experts!!! The web belt that came with the Brit MP Bob Richardson, was missing the buckles at the rear of the belt to attach the webbing
straps. I was wondering if it was just on my figure or did everyone who got this figure get the belt without these buckles? Would Brit MP's have worn these
belts with the buckles at the rear in real life or would it still be accurate to leave them off?
Thanks In Advance MAG
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Posts: 1244 (07/22/08 23:11:21) |
Well, I can confirm that both of the figures I have do not have the normal buckles at the back. However, I have never heard of such an item in the WWII 1:1
world, and believe that MPs just used the standard belt colored with white Blanco.
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Posts: 87 (07/23/08 20:12:28) |
I've checked my British and Canadian books and all the belts I've seen have the 2 back straps, I think Dragon just "cheapen" out.
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Posts: 642 (07/24/08 15:29:23) Division Regular Bronze
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It was not uncommon for officers and staff to have the back buckles removed...they were only sewed on and came off quite easily with a pocketknife and I have
seen many 1/1 versions of this.
As MP's wore the 1 shoulder strap the back buckles wouldn't be needed, it isn't out of the realm of thought that they too may have removed the back buckles in order for the white belt to look sharper.
My trade references
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Posts: 2118 (07/24/08 15:45:13) The Grand Poobah of Plastic |
From what I've seen, Dioman is correct; both white blanco belts with the rear buckles as well as belts with the buckles removed would be ok. I've also
seen references of the shoulder strap in both Richardson's thin web version (which I believe is the one depicted in the pic posted awhile back which we all
surmised DML based their Bob R. on) and with a blanco-treated standard pattern 37 single brace with the wide shoulder strap. Not being a full-out Brit expert,
I wonder if the Richardson figure is more post-war and "formal" like the recent American MP's, and therefore equipped a tad bit more formally
than their wartime brethren. That's just a guess. Maybe more or an expert like Mr. Barton can shed more light. But I have seen references in both styles.
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Tony Barton.onesixthredarmy |
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Posts: 73 (07/24/08 17:48:16) Master Artist
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The buckles on the rear were certainly the norm .. there are always exceptions and personal mods around , but they are pretty rare in wartime .
The DML version omits the buckles and has two of the belt fittings normally only used at the front instead : I've never personally seen this arrangement , and it would work , but it was hardly normal or regulation . The front of the brace is fine : the brass gismo on the belt , and the bit of webbing above it , is called a Brace Extension , and was used by troops not wearing the big universal pouches , typically pistol-armed types like MPs and Officers. The normal arrangement would be the brace extension fitting at the front as provided, with the brace going through the left buckle at the rear. It would be easy enough to find a pair of spare buckles and glue them in place if you want the regulation rig. BTW there was only one type of brace in the '37 webbing set ,the standard one as provided . Typical MP from the front : 
And from the back it would be like this , but of course with only the one brace : 
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Posts: 392 (07/24/08 17:54:13) |
dioman wrote: Well, there ya go. Another one explained.
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Major Archie Gates |
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Posts: 906 (07/24/08 18:40:35) |
Thanks for the info guys. However, i'm still unsure which arrangement to go for as both Kentmid and Tony's explanations/accounts seem relevant. LOL! As
for the thin/narrow web brace that is depicted in the pic shown in the following link: http://onesixthnet.yuku.com/topic/10987 and the DML Brit MP itself, would it have conceivably come with the Brace
extension at the rear aswell? I'm leaning towards adding the buckles to the belt as advocated by Tony, but with the narrow Brace that is supplied with Bob
minus the rear brace extension.
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Posts: 289 (07/25/08 19:59:59) Master Artist
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I'm afraid I've never heard of a '37 belt without the rear buckles. As mentioned it could be a personal mod, but then why bother removing a pair of
buckles which should be there and which may be needed later on; it doesn't make sense to me? Definitely more the exception than the rule. It would be
interesting to see hard references for the removal of the buckles; I'm afraid I need a little more persuading. Personally, I would go with Tony's
regulation version and add the buckles. You'll notice too in the link you provided Archie, that in the DML pic, the real MP in the background photo has the two buckles on the rear of his belt.
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